How and why does the universe obey mathematical laws and where did numbers come from the govern the mathematical laws that govern the universe since numbers are only abstract thoughts that quantify calculations and are not physical but had to be in place before humans to be able to govern the universe at the beginning of time when the universe began and numbers had to be before people and since they are not physical but abstract thoughts and concepts then where did they come from when there were no humans? They are thought so must come from a MIND? Explain how they arose without the MIND OF GOD ? If anyone can explain logically by atheistic view points ? Why do we see fractual in mathematical equations and in nature and how did this arise in both concept and nature ?